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former secretary of state john kerry discusses his life and career. he is interviewed a former congresswoman jane harman, president and ceo of the wilson center. "after words" as the new program interfering top nonfiction authors about their latest work.
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>> welcome, trained welcome, "after words," good friend. >> thanks for having me here. >> thank you. happy new year to all. this is only the 5776 new year for the jewish people. it tells you something that the journey has been long and the journey continues. i'd really like to start there. you've written a very big book, which i have gone through. i found lots in common with your journey and we'll talk about that. but i would really like to talk about the jewish new year first because at the time of renewal. it is also no question one of the frustrations of your journey as secretary of the that there was no happy ending and there is no happy ending yet to to states for israel and palestine and you have a long chapter about that. i remember you telling me some time ago that you knew bb win i
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guess he was working in boston. >> he was in boston. we had coffee a couple times agreement at the charles hotel. i remember distinctly and i wrote about it in the book. if you're in a position to get done and iowa could get great things done together. i hung onto that. >> i also remember as a member of your foreign policy advisory board, sitting at dinner one night in the state department with other members of the committee and you had a napkin or a map and a piece of paper and you are passionate about the fact that they could only do these things, we could get these done. >> all of those tuning in to c-span let me know what you try to do and what the frustrations order. well, i am passionate about israel. i supported it from the earliest of times as a member of the senate for 28 years at 100% voting record in many, many
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friends. many friends for him every name in fashion. the whole week climbing and swimming in the dead sea in getting in the black mud than full fare. i flew a plane over israel. a jet plane from the air force and just learned a lot about it and cared about it enormously. and i am sad. i am sorry it was not possible to make the pieces come together. but frankly as i write in the book, the dynamics in israel are very complicated right now. you have a government, the majority which has said publicly they don't believe in to tape no matter what the prime minister has said the majority said we don't believe -- i would never be. they say they will never be two states. so how do you move the government when effective
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requires a change of coalition or a change of something and, you know, it's very difficult. at the same time, the palestinians were ready to move either. i think abbas had great problems politically. so there's a ripeness and diplomacy, a ripeness in politics and life i think we can say and it simply wasn't right. you can bang your head against the wall. i wasn't about to happen. but we did good things that made a huge difference. i got the arab world to agree for the first time publicly to change the arab peace initiative to embrace swaps. it was 1967. the swaps meant
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that the huge step forward. there may be some still on the outlying areas who wouldn't agree, but the critical countries came together publicly and said this is what we are going to do any required guaranteeing real security, which we thought was paramount. you have to have israel, be able to defend it self by itself and that was a premise the prime minister laid down. i accepted it is a fair premise. we came up with ways that we felt we could do that. look, bottom line there is a road yet to travel and i hope the prayer remains always that there will be peace. everybody in the region deserves it. i hope it can happen. >> well, your efforts were
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heroic. it's still so far as i know administration policy or u.s. policy that there be two states. i don't think that has changed. some things have changed. actually it was and is u.s. policy that the capital, and the capital of israel is jerusalem and our embassy should be there. we all voted as a member of congress in the mid-90s for that policy. this president decided to make it now in these notes the embassy, which is at least temporarily located where conflict is. without a conflict for years in jerusalem so nobody should miss that. but i guess i would express my sadness that again if somebody happens to be jewish, his own family suffered in world war ii world war ii, that he's made 25 trips to the region as a member of congress in about eight or 9
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cents that the lack of progress is really tragic both for those who live in israel and those who's not a state where the palestinian authority operate. i see over time especially among arabs that it would be very hard for israel to remain in character as a pluralist democracy. i worry too that today -- >> yeah. >> administration not its attention to close the office here. i'm sure you've heard about. it's on the jewish holiday when many can't comment on things like that because they're very observant. i just feel sad. they would be an announcement of an administration plan so i understand. not sure within the plan. but if what the plan is, as you said, note to his dates, not
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now, not ever, that does compromise the big principle that israel was designed by the founders to be a pluralist democracy and the home of the jewish people. happening on the same time. >> correct. >> the great challenge that already today as we sit here, the population between the jordan river valley in the mediterranean is not now. if you are a full-fledged democracy and people are citizens of one day, the issue obviously is what happens if everybody votes and have it maintained its character as a blue state. so we will see what happens. i remain hopeful. i will always work hard for a fair piece that guarantees an end of conflict, and of claims, provides for israel's ability to
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have the security guaranteed by israel and ultimately by others helping because it's inevitable that you need that. the palace minions can have a state that's viable, contiguous and that may be one of the key questions here as well but they -- at this stage is offered will be viable and contiguous. that's a serious question. times have changed in the region. israel is finding that there are many countries dared which we work very hard to help encourage you are willing to work on counterterrorism and regional security issues and other things. i put forward the idea that there is a new regional security arrangement that could be made with all the countries where if
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people were to move down the road appropriately. a match in here you the remarkable site in three abraham escapes. if they were peace coming you could have this extraordinary burst of energy. tourism would be like any other part of the world. i mean, they would be just incredible opportunity of leadership to get people over the hurdles. >> one of the frustrations as the leaders in the region have one of the most. >> and their serious challenges in the palette can you die. no one should cross over that. qatar support turkey and remains a problem. but i do think there are ways to begin the groundwork that those issues. >> i couldn't agree more. two countries to remind over time step forward and made the courageous step for peace and those were in egypt, who still observed the agreement made.
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but it is tragic. >> you're right. i read a that tries to do justice. i'm candid in the chapter about things they might have done differently. but also, were moments of opportunity where they are and adjust for these. i'm an optimist. president obama accuse me of being overly optimistic but i am an optimist. i believe that my book is really the answer to bob woodward's book. bob woodward's book lays out the problems of washington today. i think this book and the journey tells the story of what to do about it. it's how you manage to deal with these things that seem insurmountable as they did when we face richard milhouse nixon breaking the law with an enemies list, spying on people, keeping them, firing archie cox and
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carrying on a war that we knew was wrong. we run the list and of course watergate and though he carried 49 days within a year and a half or so he was gone because people held accountable. that's what we need to do. >> as i was mentioning to you, john, our journeys overlap. same college year, of course much older. >> is going to say you're much younger than i am. >> at the bus inspired by john kennedy and then robert kennedy. both of us closer, but i certainly knew ted kennedy quite well. i worked for five years in the early 70s during the nixon. for john tenney with an cantonese roommate roommate in college, in law school and whom i am sure you know who died just this last year and was an enormous mentor to me.
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it was a wonderful ex. to be counseled the two subcommittees in the senate when he was a senator. but yes, your idealism shines through this whole boat and how you get turned on to politics. you have a few unsuccessful moments, but that is a test. you end up finally not just as lieutenant governor of massachusetts, but as the united state senator. you have an unsuccessful run for president. remember it. i was in congress and in fact cannot let me tell you one story about that. you're back in the senate in a very, very senior role. the senate foreign relations committee is a huge perch and used it well and you go into the administration and tried your best to do three or four big things, one of which succeeded and was the right thing to do,
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which was the iran deal. >> in the paris climate agreement. that was the other right thing to do. now they are big deals. >> i have to say if i can switch into this, my last chapter in the book is called protecting the planet and it talks not just about what's happening with climate change, but how we got there, how we got the chinese that their opposition which is where they were. they would not do anything for years until finally they cooperated and worked with us and that cooperation of the two biggest economies on the planet created the momentum to get paris done. the danger is as we sit here today not only are we not close to holding the earth to a degree rise of temperature that we were aiming for, we are on track to
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hit four degrees centigrade in the century. i have grandkids. we are looking at kids who are one half, three, five now. they are going to live to that age. you just have to stop in question how a president of the united states could willfully decided to pull out of the paris agreement without any facts, any science, knowledge of the issue certainly because you made a campaign promise and there's an orthodoxy on his side of the fence that you don't like the agreement. how could humans contribute to this. it is crazy because we are contributing. in the arctic last year for the first time in recorded history in the middle of winter, february, the ark was above freezing. we are seeing changes in the ocean and changing them land, fire, more of them. floods, bigger, more of them,
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more moisture. all of this is the result of the warming. there are things we can do about it specifically a sensible energy policy. >> the wilson center which is nonpartisan and, so understand i had my long chapter in the congress but now i try my hardest as they think you did, too to reach for responsible politicians from both parties. the wilson center hasn't arctic program and now there is the notion. not just an increasing body of water, but the art to goshen qualifies as a nation in the world and global warning they are. twice as fast as the rest of the world. a country's border and it's interesting because in addition to the possibility that it could become the shipping channel between asia and europe because it's a much shorter distance than the panama canal.
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the countries that border it are cooperating on security issues and climate issues including russia. one part of this book is a long chapter about dealings with russia. some of them for this, some of them frustrating. >> syria was the most frustrating of all. i call it the open wound. i had hoped that we would've decided we'd find a way to love for each that we wanted -- not business but were trying to get a result that would shape along the lines of this resolution was passed in the united states, which would've allowed for an election and the creative participation by the opposition. it would have really brought about a global cease-fire for the country. the russians supported the
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resolution in name, but after a certain amount of time went by, they believed we were playing games with the hard-line opposition and that we weren't serious about going after extremism and they became caught in this game and yang of an argument rather than fundamentally being able to make progress. >> the tragedy of the whole thing is a death spiral for the people who live today or in the future of what was one a really great country. as a member of congress, the intelligence committee to damascus and i'd met with assad early in his tenure and we all thought he could be a moderate voice in this country in the region. we all thought about erdogan in turkey. the thought was these guys would retire or die and then he would
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put in place different folks. guess what, totally wrong assumption. as we go today, so far as i read, there is bombing of one of the only functioning today's left. what will this collection of credit history become? i mean, where does this end? >> given what the russians in the arabian and assad have decided to do, it is at least a near massacre and god knows what it turns into the next days. i would've hoped that wiser voices would it avail and be able to create a cease-fire and begin to work something out so you actually get to the table. the special envoy for the united nations, deeply frustrated by the unwillingness of one of the principal players, either a
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brand or assad are russia, not to play straight and try to get something done. they intend to win at the end of a gun barrel and in the end that is not a winning as atlantis or clay. imagine when what? what will there be? just a failed state and refugees have emerging throughout the region, especially destabilizing allies jordan and lebanon. so let's go back to something more hopeful. our mutual journey because i mentioned earlier about the hired by the kennedys. in your case you described an accidental meeting. in my case i grew up in los angeles with my then boyfriend as a kid went to the democratic convention in 1960. i was on the floor when kennedy was nominated for president. i was unsure of sort at the l.a.
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coliseum and my personal lightbulb went off and this is what i wanted to do. i ran my high school democrats at smith college in yours day. i co-brand the democrats they are. got involved in massachusetts politics. at harvard law school i was a research assistant for an enormously active in the kennedy campaign. i moved here and so forth and finally in 1891, a seat open in congress where he grew up in los angeles, though i'm sure you knew that my friends in high school. they moved back full-time to california, ran for the congressional seat and won. so all of the same folks played some role in my own life. you described it in a really wonderful way you got into all
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of this because your family lesson in politics. he might know, my dad was in the service. the mackie traveled around the world. not that you had been a lot. [inaudible] >> talking about your earliest memory coming earliest trip you said was to go back to your family home in the north of france, which was just glass and rubble. >> people understand that john kerry had a family home or abroad. grandfather was a business man and he was working between france and england at the time as the war broke out. he raised a big family. my grandfather had 11 kids. she was in the middle. and they were living between france and britain, england in sussex. they went over in vacation and in the coast of what is called
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emerald coast and they fell in love with it. my grandfather bought a home there for these 11 kids to have fun in the summer. so when the war started and they scattered, literally my grandmother was in london. my grandfather came back to the states to work in the war effort in washington in the kids were in various ways is rated then posited and so forth. but our house was then taken over by the german and they used it as a headquarters. my mother was working in paris as a nurse. she had gotten to train to be a nurse is a worm is coming and she was taking care of refugees who were coming out of germany and northern france and the germans were marching towards paris and she learned when did the germans were about to march into paris. she got on a bicycle with her
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sister and her sister's new husband and a friend of a started breaking south towards portugal, forging across france to get their and then, were an -- the part of the were ended with the bombing in birmingham at this house. after the war it was 1947 i was four years old. my mother wanted to return to the house to see what was there. i was walking where they were holding her hand in feeling that last crunch under my feet. i can remember the sound and the mother was crying and i didn't know why. i was very disturbed by that. i could see a chimney going up in the sky. it could see a stairwell on the opposite side of the house if i was a. otherwise rebel. they just made an indelible impression on me, all of it. my grandfather decided after the
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war to rebuild it and it's still there. not differently, but they are in all of this kid, 291st cousins take care of the house. >> well, i didn't raise it as the ancestral summerhouse. but as the metaphor for the destruction of or in the fact that at some level all of us are immigrants to this country. >> that's the impression that i had. it said to me, you know, war tears families apart. war destroys things around you. you have to fight a war occasionally and now is a war we surely have to fight. thank god those brave young people bolster and the beaches of normandy which i write about at length because i was so amazed by normandy. omaha, utah, juneau and so forth. their incredible places.
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it is a beautiful place. now a peaceful place, great resting place for those who died there and were buried there in the american cemetery, which is american land. i write in the book about my wife and went with me at one point and we sat there for hours in the afternoon just taking it in. the sky in front of me, older guide was fair with what i presume is his wife and they were hugging profoundly and at what point got up, took off all his clothes, walked into the water and started to just bomb in the water, swimming that the tide. it was like he was sure of finding himself. the sky was here. i remember that paid homage in touch that day and it is a very, very beautiful sight to see this. i read about that in other pieces of it. what it was like for those guys going in on the boats because
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they think it was so compelling their bravery and sacrifice. >> you also write about your pride and after yale and the military and training for the vietnam mission and shipping off to vietnam and then about how your views of the war changed while they are and the tragic death of your buddy as you are headed in and what changed you. not only that do not lead to a whole chapter is a war resisters certainly i remember that generation and how i think nascar has never fully healed. i am still a resident of my old district in los angeles and on venice beach where my house is, we still have homeless beds in
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that area. barbee said, too, but a tragedy america sent them they are never welcome them home. first of all that experience, but the healing experience you and john mccain a prisoner of war torture they are shared. >> it was a remarkable turn of events and one that profoundly affected me. one of the most important things that happened while i was in the senate was the reconciliation and partnership that we built. john and i were flying to kuwait on an airplane. we didn't know each other very well at all and we were seated opposite by seniority. but seniority here worked as a brought us together and we had a conversation into the night, talking about annapolis father and grandparents, family and his own service and this time as a prisoner. he wanted to learn more about what happened with us and what it was like and so forth.
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we pledge to each other right then that the country was still too divided over the war, that we thought we needed to try to find a way to not just make peace, but made peace at home. so we set about to get answers for families who were destroyed over the fact that there is a strong belief that prisoners might well be alive in people at unless they're alive and we have to answer those questions is a matter of duty, but also a matter of practicality. if you didn't answer those questions you couldn't begin to have a strategy for vietnam. so we worked at it and we had hearings. it was disgraceful but people did to john mccain. they called in the manchurian candidate because they wouldn't believe some of his fiction about what might or might not have happened. he was looking for hard evidence. john wanted to look for the truth. the truth mattered to him.
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we worked hard at it. at one point he and i together went to work on getting the information and the tactic countless people. we talked to the prisoners, the guards to help these guys prisoners. we went to the history houses. a team on the ground working in all kinds of information gathering. we went to prisons unannounced and went marching through to see whether there is any evidence that some caucasian or european, american whatever had been held in those prisons. it was a remarkable process in the end we got unanimous consent of the company and unanimous decision that found there was no evidence that anybody was still alive. there was some evidence that perhaps involves somewhere someone might've been not negotiated for at the end. but we didn't have conclusive
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evidence. >> but that is a huge deal for the families. >> we got 700 families in america have been able to receive remains coming back after painstaking efforts by american military personnel which they still do to this day. they went to visit john mccain may be two months, six weeks before he died. we talked about this experience of trying to make peace here at home. importantly we talked about the process of these guys taking in too deep to find some fragment, some component of the remains and even at risk of life sometimes. john and i were proudest of the fact that we put together with the military and with george h. debbie bush administration and the clinton administration the
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most extensive, far-reaching accountable transparent system ever designed by any nation and in a time of four in order to account for a missing potentially pow mia. an extraordinary process. it's an extraordinary process and an extraordinary tribute to you and john mccain. in my first term i received a call from a local joint in my district who said he had tried to fly the pow mias 500 federal facilities unpatriotic holiday. he was told i was against the law, but only post offices could fly that flag and that was the process. i was the principal author. that you can now fly the flag on
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government buildings on future active holidays. >> they were in my district and on the wall of my office i have deciding pages but it was the fate of principal role in, of which was intelligent in 2004 after huge mistake leading up to 9/11 and the estimated that the intelligence estimate that was wrong on iraq. at any rate, i am so proud of that and the law was signed during the clinton administration put the pen for the senate is strom thurmond. he described him -- [inaudible] he was a carrot there and there were others. i'm very proud of that. i want to stay on mccain. you and i were both at the mccain funeral a week ago. i was sitting right behind you.
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this kind of an interesting thing. jay leno is in front of me come you were on his right and rudy giuliani was on his left. go figure that whole grouping, just random. but mccain's casket went high and my heart broke. when i think about his role, like you i had a lot of his events for 10, when on this trip to the munich security conference at least 10 times and it continued to go there now an executive committee conference. i have a replaced became. >> god and country will do it if it's doable. it's not up to us. there are a lot of good americans that they will never be somebody to spend five and a half years in a prison camp like he did and turns around and comes back and forgives and works in a kind of manner. i think that was a gift. >> i think it was a gift and we should all just focus on that.
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this book has just so much more. iran. you have done numerous appearances and talked about it at length. i'm wondering if there are things to say that you have not yet read this very sophisticated audience would like to hear about the effort, which i personally supported in which a lot of people supported after the fact, once it became implemented. i know of is testifying on the day the administration decided to pull out the most members of the house foreign affairs committee where i was that it might not have supported it then, but i support it now. >> well, that's the point. president trump pulled out of that without really adequately thinking through the consequences of what he's done. because china, russia, germany,
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france and britain and iran all living by the agreement. they are keeping it. they all want to keep it and donald trump is trying to do the best he can to disrupt that. now why? because they have the fury of regime change? if that's the theory, we are not very good at regime change. we don't do this well number one. number two, if you did have it in the country, i guarantee you're not going to have a jeffersonian democrat column. you're going to have another on the danish at the hard-liners will be the ones who uses to reclaim power because they said don't negotiate with america. you can't trust america and what donald trump has done is guaranteed this generation of politicians can't trust america. will not sit down with him
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certainly. people are more trustworthy comeback it might be a way to work out of this mess. i guarantee they're not going to sit with him. so, what would have been the smarter thing to do? it all of those countries are just listed, china, russia, germany, france and britain to come together with all the countries in the middle east and give iran an ultimatum with respect to their activities in yemen, activities in syria with hezbollah, cavities in iraq. and then, you would be standing that these other countries legitimately stopping terrorism arms weapons in another country. having pulled away from all those countries if they were to be a crisis in a conflict is very questionable whether they would be with us and support us,
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but the u.n. resolution if we needed it because this unfairness at the u.n. and walked away. this is not a smart way to approach our policy. >> to comments on that. as i understand it, and rob liptak was a scholar of non-proliferation issues at the wilson center under senior vice president points out, there is a legitimate criticism that would've been a better deal. it would've been a better deal if it would've been permanent. >> with the people who complain about it, the fact that they could go in at some point of time after they proven bona fides, but what they never put on the table when they say
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they're going to go enriches the fact we have 130 inspectors in tehran. we have television cameras, tracing, every bit of the centrifuges. tracing, everything in terms of the enrichment process. we have a 25 year limit of tracking from cradle to grave every ounce of uranium that they date. and they are subject for life, forever to something called the additional protocol which gives us the right to challenge and inspect if we think there's a building is something suspicious is happening in, they have to let us send. they haven't let us in within 28 days all the sanctions come back. >> you understand i'm on the same night. >> i'm trying to underscore for people listening -- i'm trying to underscore the degree to which we would've known what they were doing. so i was never vouching that iran might not in whatever
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period of time have another regional leader in sampling the breakout. but guess what, the breakout time for the next 15 years was more than a year. the minute you take the deal away it goes back down to a matter of months and that's a more dangerous place for israel. a more dangerous race for the community. by the way, that's why the security establishment in israel supported the deal. they thought it was working and that working and that we should get rid of it. so politics drove this is really what it is and it's very unfortunate because america national securities should not be the prison or politics. >> right. it used to be that criticism stops at the water's edge, which has sadly fallen off for decades. the mac can i say something because, jane, for folks listening to this, my book is not a policy prescription or a
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policy tone or policy analysis by secretary of state. this book is actually recounting the stories, anecdotes, inside studio then it versus the new senate. would have been to make a change? what happened with richard nixon? how did we get the things that god when we made issues voting issues so that we held people accountable. i think this book is sort of the counter book -- that counter but, the companion book to bob woodward's book because i believe sub elegantly on the things happening in washington and who's saying what about what's happened in washington at better comment that her, but doesn't tell you what you do. i think my book does tell you what to do. it's about citizenship. it's about democracy. it's how you make your democracy work and it shows the journey of 40, 50 years of trying to do
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that, sometimes failing but mostly being able to make it work and be accountable. >> it is about feeling that you're in congress to health problems. it's about a vision for the future. it's about bipartisanship and you mentioned some of the great like dick lugar who was and is a friend and has sadly lost in a primary in his state to somebody on the far right and then he lost that election was lost to a democrat, joe donnelly. >> which is one of the reasons why today we have gridlock and lack of accountability in the senate because a lot of republican senators are not as worried about their general election as they are terrified about a primary. primaries are used as a leverage >> it happens in the democratic party to to be fair. a lot of people are worried about a challenge for the last. the center has disappeared.
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the sender is not just people in the center. i think i was in the center in many ways could not social issues. certainly on defense, security and economic issues. but back in the day when i was the blue dot in the house, there were 55 blue dogs. these are people with very moderate views on fiscal matters. we didn't agree on other matters. but there we were 55. our 15th going down to probably 10. most of the people in the center had lost in primaries have left and now there's another issue we are seeing, which is in the massachusetts election. the woman who beat the interim congressman used to work for you. i have a feeling she's enormously impressed, but one of her argument was against y no. we need younger, new leadership to represent the district. >> yeah, you start to talk. i argue you need experience.
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>> she's experienced and young. the next she's terrific. you know, you have to run the race in every district in that district. you know that better than anybody. don't pick some template. she worked hard and she's going to be a terrific congresswoman. also because i know your friendly, i think mike capuano served that district very, very well for many years. he's a good man and this is just what happens in our democracy decide to remake it alphabetic. >> which is healthy. bipartisanship is very healthy and is now a dirty word if your bipartisan and you talk to the other side to give primary and that's a word. in most places that's really dangerous and some people don't do it. they stay in their corners the month of grenades.
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>> you know, what i find as disturbing as anything i can think of right now and you don't have to answer this because i know you're in a nonpartisan position, et cetera. i'm not really speaking part assembly. i'm stating a reality. in washington today, everybody knows for a year and a half, most of what is then turn around in this anonymous op-ed in the woodward book. what has happened is that now be confirmed. more and more people plead guilty. more evidence comes out. people are seeing the facts. but despite the degree to which this city and foreign leaders are deeply perturbed by what they are seeing in washington. if any of the president does it mean anything was the defense secretary going to countermand a burst of paper off the desk that was subject to the subject of that particular meeting.
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where is the president going to continue to attack the justice department in a way that applauds the idea that you shouldn't indict somebody during an election. because you affect the outcome. that's not what justice is about in america. put it all together you have a problem in washington. they think a lot of people in the houses on that are not rereading the oath they took about upholding the constitution in defending the institutions of our country. the senate deserves more than people who are more interested in party and protect in the president into the power of their position. >> well, all comments are not part. article i of the constitution is the legislative branch, which was designed to be a check on abuse of executive authority, which is article ii. not the abuse, but executive authority. article ii is our federal court system. the checks and balances inherent in that have not ever been
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smooth, but congress has had a big voice in restraining executive abuse over centuries. you mentioned the nixon administration that there's been abuse before. and there were some questions about president since president nixon. viciously about. where is congress? where is congress' voice? sadly a lot of people concluded more about getting it then it is about doing things we can argue pro and con, but a check to think some people feel very strongly. >> i agree. that is a very appropriate way to put focus on the founding fathers and what they intended that the congress for sure. >> i think most of us has seen hamilton, which is one of the great -- >> i love it. fabulous. >> a lot of these issues in a brilliant musical score, then.
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everybody wonders how this administration have been in fall out of the sky. i don't think it fell out of the sky. i think both parties ignored a lot of the anxiety in the middle of the country having to do with the total transformation of work in the global economy. that includes the democratic party. most are many people didn't speak to the problems in the issues and didn't come up with good ideas. the people there felt ignored and i think the election -- >> i think it is more than just feeling ignored. i think it is a fact that the things that made it difference to people's lives have improved their lives are not the focus of the congress except when president obama came in he tried to put health care in place for everybody who looked at what the opposition was to have been the party that opposed it and still
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opposes it. what is donald trump been trying to do? and obamacare, throw people off of health care. it's the complete opposite of what people need and want in the country. workers were working harder. you had the crash of 08, 2008 people had paid mortgages on homes. all of a sudden the homes for half of what it was. they have people working harder, working more, and many cases less worth taking a second or third job to earn enough to make ends meet. the richest people in the country walking off with these massive tax cut and/or benefit that they can afford to pay through the lobby system in america. their loose in the country they're right and left and center are in touch with in their angry at the system for not responding. so you know this better than
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anybody. but he birdied in the caucus for the hostile takeover of the republican party by donald trump. on our side we saw in battle, which is still playing out. so i don't find in the mystery in this at all except the degree to which people who worst part of allegedly are ignored. the reality of not working together to address some of those very >> and i agree with that. the tragedy is at least at the moment of congress the business model is broken. the business model is blaming the other side for not having a problem because if you work with the other side you have bipartisan and that makes you in your primary. so we have a few minutes left. maybe we can kind of go there because you know -- >> u.n. asked me about the title of my book.
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>> now i do. i do understand what it is. i think you should explain it and i want to talk about the optimism that is underlying -- >> i'm not an optimist than i make that clear and i and the book with an afterword that really talks about how we can make the difference. the title every day is extra comes from a bunch of guys from a war who felt you couldn't totally explain why this guy made it and that i didn't and you feel a sense of obligation. it's a gift. >> and you knew some of those guys. >> some people who didn't even go do it. they had five cancer or someone in your family died or passed away or have a tough battle.
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you know that life is fragile. so the point is if you adopt the right. about a problem he gives you a sense of obligation, a sense of duty and does the right the little paragraph, i read an author's note. losing the debate over an election, but the worst thing would be to do nothing than to show a difference to some kind of problem around you as a public citizen. comes from my mother, comes from my dad, family to some degree but i still believe after all these years. ever probably face i guess this also can be traced back probably to a lot of people turn other
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people, certainly president kennedy. on the problems on the planet are created fundamentally by human beings. to have problems that are god-given? yes. although we are adding to the problem of hurricanes down because of clinton. but we can solve these problems if we really want to. if we bring to g20 together, shut the door. don't let anybody out. we can put new energy into the country so they don't have to build coal-fired power plants. countless other things we can do an education, rebuilding america coming using energy. we are just not choosing. >> listen to you. here is the sky of a certain age with the same fire and passion he did. i want to remind you of one thing before we wrap up and that is you and i were on an airplane to los angeles in 2011.
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i know that year because i'll tell you why i know the year. it took you aside and said john, i've been offered the job of president and ceo at the wilson center's exceedingly hamilton and really a member of congress and chairman of the house foreign affairs committee for a long time while i was here. i'm ambivalent. i've been elected to my neck turned. what is your view? it has been a great decision eight years in two runs in institution dedicated to nonpartisan serious scholarship leading to an actionable policy ideas, which is the frame forward for wilson and her first international president. you spoke there in 2016, maybe earlier, but on your last days as secretary of state and i
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appreciated. thank you very much. would a conversation about trade. i wonder which you think about the value added by a number of think tanks. i think you spoke at carnegie today, actually now. >> they are an essential ingredient of our democracy. they are a key check and balance if you will on those who are choosing to think. think tanks are very, very valuable because in public life as you know well, the pace is such that you don't have the time to do your own research were to go out into something. you need people to present you with an idea or give you the services and tell you what to go read. i find a contribution of whether it's brookings, carnegie international, aei, but they're
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so important, all of them. in fact, aei has come up with a couple ideas to try to implement which has now become taboo. the report in the aei and they were born because of the orthodoxy of some ideology. so i think everybody is suffering for what is happening right now. right, left and center and what we need to do is restore our -- it really reinvigorate our democracy and get people to focus on the fact that every individual really make the difference in that endeavor. it is not something someone else can do by themselves. you've got to have massive participation. here's the key numbers are 54.2. the number of eligible voters who voted in the last election. 54.2% struggle to vote. the year i ran in no four was george bush was 60.4%.
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dear president obama was elected in 08 for 62.3%. the point i'm making is that the difference. you've got to come out. you've got to vote and much more than 60%. that's 70%. i've been to countries as an observer, an election observer. you probably do not. i have been stunned by the numbers of people who come out to vote, sometimes for the first time in 50 years in the biggest thing in their lives and they wait all day in the hot sun and give a purple stamp of ink on their thumb and they put 70%, 80%, 90% eligible. >> you're as passionate now about public ideas in the journey of someone adding value as you are as a young man. that is to be applauded.
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congratulations on a thoughtful, serious and fascinating book. >> funny, too. >> congratulations to mrs. personal to me on the journey we have shared. >> thank you very much. you're doing great work and i love working with you. >> thank you, john. >> thank you. >> google is free. this is its great fallacy because prices exist for a
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reason. prices bring information to consumers. they cannot value it different products in accordance with the measuring stick of money, which as i asked claimed in life after google, money is essentially based in the scarcity of time. time is what remains scarce when everything else becomes the budget. time remains scarce and money conveying the scarcity principle in economics is ultimately based on the scarcity of time. what google does is reached past her wallet in your money in your work and takes your time directly. in an economy without money is
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